Jun 16, 2021
Elizabeth Molina: [00:00:00] Hello, my beautiful people, I'm Elizabeth Molina, and I am your beauty guru in this podcast, I will share with you all you need to know about beauty from the inside out, you will gain access to the latest beauty trends from head to toe, mind and soul. You will hear from experts themselves, the trendy influencers, celebrities, athletes and of course, myself on all things beauty. This is definitely the place to be. Biohacking, beauty, hacking, life, hacking into the wife. For your beauty routine, are you ready for your global obsession? Today's guest is none other than Hala Tala. She is the host of Young and Profiting podcast, frequently ranked as the number one educational podcasts across all apps. Hala is also the CEO of Yapp Media, a full service social media and podcast marketing agency for top protesters, celebrities and CEOs projected to generate over one million in revenue in its first year. She is well known for her engagement following an influence on LinkedIn. She's also known for so many other things that we're going to get into in this episode. You're going to hear things from her that you haven't heard before. She is going to sing. She has an amazing, beautiful voice. She has a story and it is an impactful one. It is a story of resiliency. It is a story of if you set your mind to something and you work hard enough, you will get there. Hala takes us through her journey. And I'm so excited for you guys to listen to a never before heard all of the different adversities that she has gone through and how she's doing it today. So I'm so excited for you guys to meet her.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:01:40] Welcome, Hala.
Hala Tala: [00:01:42] Thank you so much, Elizabeth. I'm so happy to be here.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:01:45] Awesome. I'm so happy to have you here. This is going to be such a great episode. I cannot wait. I'm just going to dive right in because there's so much content. The more I hear you, the more I learn about you. I'm just like, wait, what when did this happen? Like, how old are you again? So I was I want people to know about you and to just hear your amazing voice and power and like, pun intended. You guys will stay tuned for that. So, Hala, let's get to it. How did you begin in the industry you are today? You are a powerhouse to be reckoned with. You have your hands in everything. I don't think there you have enough toes and fingers to put in all the jars that you're in. And tell us a little bit about your back story. Like, let's make it like maybe like not that long. Tell us about all your your journey through radio, through your corporate. Like, tell us about that before we dive in.
Hala Tala: [00:02:37] Yeah, of course. I'll give you the really quick version. So I started my career at Hot 97. It's one of the biggest radio stations in New York, in America for hip hop and R and B. And so I got this internship, my junior year of college. I was in the corporate side, the production side I got I was doing really well. So then they recruited me to be Angie Martinez's assistant in the studio area. So this was like a really coveted role. It was super demanding. And so what happened is I ended up dropping out of college to take it full time and to really take my chances and try to see if I could grow a career in radio. And so I was Angie Martinez Gopher, basically, where I would do all her research. I would answer calls, I would babysit her kids, I would go get clothes for her. I would, you know, go driving around with her to events and was basically her apprentice for three years. And it was totally for free. I never got paid a dime from Hot 97 or from Angie Martinez. So I dropped out of school, like I said. And that was very difficult because I came from a family of doctors. So my dad was a doctor. All my siblings were in med school or, you know, just graduated. I'm the youngest of the baby, the family. And here I was working for free, dropped out of college, working at a radio station when everybody else was in med school.
Hala Tala: [00:03:49] So I was actually looked at as like the failure of the family, which is really funny now. And but I was working really hard, you know, they just didn't understand what I was doing. So then paying roll opened up at Hot 97 and it was to be Andrew Martinez's producer. And for a while I was doing that job. And every morning I would I was already doing that job from before. The reason why she had fired her producer is that he was really underperforming. And I was already doing that job for many, many months. And they decided to instead of hire me, I wasn't even getting paid minimum wage, but literally at the station every day had a key card as if I was employee, like, highly legal. Right. I, I still instead of giving me a job, they decided to promote somebody who is in the video department, who had no production experience, no producer experience whatsoever. And so I was pretty upset. I was a young girl. I was like twenty at the time or twenty one. And I, I sent a text to Jaroussky who is now very popular on Hot 97 all the time and still has his show. And I said he was the one who got the producer role. And I said, you know, I don't feel good today.
Hala Tala: [00:04:55] I don't want to come into the station. If you want to be the producer, learn it on your own and he showed that text to Angie, Angie got upset, fired me, and essentially tried to blackball me from the industry and told all the deejays they couldn't talk to me anymore, didn't even let me say goodbye. I had to pack. I didn't get to pack up my stuff. I just was never allowed to go there again, never allowed to talk to anyone again. And it was really traumatic, a traumatic experience for me, looking back and really impacted the future of my life very dramatically. Because had that never happened, I may have been on Hot 97 as an on air personality right now. And that was literally my trajectory. That's anybody who works for free at the station. It's for that reason they're basically saying work for free because we're going to make you a star, you know, and that's what I was working for free for. So anyway, I didn't let that hold me back. I think they fired me on a Thursday. And by Sunday, I had built like a website called the consortium hip hop strawberry plant Dotcom. And I decided I was going to recruit girls and create this network, this female network. And we were going to empower each other and support each other because I felt like as a woman, I wasn't getting the right exposure and opportunities in the hip hop industry.
Hala Tala: [00:06:05] And so I was going to recruit other girls. So we had girls from Def Jam, VH1, iHeart radio. All these different girls joined us. We started the sort of hip hop and at the height of it we were 50 girls strong. We were hosting the hottest parties and concerts in New York, the same DJs who wouldn't pay me minimum wage. I started hosting parties with them. If you go look on my Facebook and Instagram, you'll see fliers with me on with deejay Carmello and Funkmaster Flex and all these huge DJs that I used to host parties for. And we saw those concerts and a radio show. So it was great. And at the height of that, MTV scouted us for a reality TV show and they filmed us all summer. We got a studio on Broadway. It was finally going to be a way for me to, like, really monetize this endeavor. Like we were a big name in the tri state, but we weren't really making that much money just from events. 50 girls that money spreads quickly can spread thin across so many girls. I was the president, so I would get paid the most. But still, MTV filmed us all summer and then pulled the plug. So last minute they decided they're not going to air the show. And then again, it was one of those moments where where? What do I do now? You know, my life was kind of crumbling.
Hala Tala: [00:07:12] And then a piece of the story that I usually never tell. But I am going to tell it because it's relevant. It's the first time I've ever telling this is after MTV didn't pick our show. I shut down the blogsite, but I also at the same time, it was around twenty fourteen and there was lots of war going on in Gaza, Palestine, same thing. That's what's happening right now. And I shut down my website and I just became like an advocate for Palestine and I raised over three hundred thousand dollars for Palestine. And I had all these fundraising events and that's all I concentrated on for a long time. Yeah, but it was funny because I shut down my website and I basically exited from the entertainment industry and talking about Palestine and like being like political like that was like the nail in my coffin. So like nobody fucked with me anymore. A lot of the people who who supported me stop supporting me. I lost a lot of friends, like a lot of people just didn't mess with me anymore because I started promoting Palestine. So essentially. I exited the entertainment industry and I thought I would never get back on a mic again, so I was like, I'm just going to be I want to be better.
Hala Tala: [00:08:17] I want a more meaningful life. What I was doing before was all fake. It was so such like not sexual, but like we used to host parties because we were pretty girls and I just wanted to stay away from that. I was like, it's time for me to grow up. There's people dying in the world. I want to fix that. I want to be a good person and I want to work on myself because I felt like I had 50 girls under me, all kind of banking on my success for themselves to be successful. It was like I had to do like 90 percent of the work for all these other girls to get all this success. And I was like, I just want to do it on my own. So I went got my MBA. I basically forced myself into the graduate program because I did not have the I would add a two point three undergrad GPA. So I didn't deserve to get into graduate school. But they let me in and then I got a 4.0. I graduated number one of my class and then got a job at Hewlett Packard, started Young and Profiting, which is now a number one education podcast and worked at Disney for a little while, then launched the media. So that is my story in a nutshell. You can dig into any part that you want.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:09:21] Oh, my God, I love that you I was like, please do it quick because you have so many lives that you live that you like. Bam, bam, bam. Here you go. It wasn't
Hala Tala: [00:09:29] That quick. I was like, oh, shoot, I'm kind of going too long. And, you
Elizabeth Molina: [00:09:33] Know, it was it was really good because it was it was definitely quick. There's so much to be said there. So I kind of want to, like you said, a lot there. And I want to unpack that a little bit. And I want to go back to what I keep on hearing is your resiliency like you are that chart that you see of of like the the heartbeat that goes up and down, up and down, up and down. And so I want to take it way back when when you were little, OK? Because it seems like you've been dealing with the rejection, people telling, you know, people shutting the door in your face after you put in the work. It's not like you're lazy, right? Because there are some people who are like, I just want to show up and be pretty. I'm going to show up and be a voice. And you have a beautiful voice. And we were talking about that before. I wanted you to tell us a little bit more about your middle school, high school, because I feel like there's a story there that relates to what we're going to get into, which is what fuels you, because there's a fueling you. That's a really massive like there's this fire in Holla. You guys have to watch her and she's always on. And so, like, we need to know the secret to that feel. But where did little Holer become? So, like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to get no matter what.
Hala Tala: [00:10:41] Yeah. So like as a kid, I was always like really, really outgoing. So like you said, I was a great singer. And so I'd always like at family parties like the ones singing and like wanting to be the star of the show. I was the baby. I was cute. So like, I got a lot of attention when I was growing up. And in middle school, I was like decently popular. I had a lot of friends. I'm a Palestinian American family. My parents are really open like a lot of our family. Friends were Christian and Jewish, and we were just like a normal family. And I would I would like say that, like, people treated us like we were Italian before nine eleven. Right. So it's like we were we were ethnic, but we weren't, like, weird or we weren't bad, you know what I mean? And like, my dad was a doctor. And so, like, you know, my friends, a sleepover. And it wasn't like we were just a normal family. And I mean to say this because after 9/11, all of that changed. And so I used to be into soccer. I used to be like in the plays and like always get like either the co-lead or the lead in the plays and like solos and all this kind of stuff. The 9/11 happened and I felt like I never got any opportunities for a long time. Like so like end of middle school, all of high school, just no opportunities.
Hala Tala: [00:11:50] Like I had the best voice in school. I would say the one thing, the one saving grace that I had an amazing course teacher and he still always gave me a solo in the concert. So if I didn't have that, I'd probably have like no confidence. But I knew that I had the best voice in school, but they would never put me on the lead in the plays. I wasn't even allowed to be in the talent show. Can you believe that? Having the best voice in school and they're telling you you're not allowed to be like you're not good enough to be in the talent show. Recently I lived in a really white town and I was like one of the only brown people. And before nine eleven, it was definitely better in terms of like how the community treated me and my other cousins who lived down the street. But then after that, after 9/11, it was like I just felt like I got zero opportunities. I tried out for the volleyball team. No, I tried it for the Chilean team. No, I tried it for the play. No, I tried to be on student council. No, I tried to be in the towns, you know, like literally. No, no, no, it's not it wasn't normal, you know, and before nine eleven, I would get a lot more opportunities. And I literally think that there's been so many opportunities that I haven't gotten because of literally my name. And like, that sucks, you know, even job applications.
Hala Tala: [00:12:56] I think I've been rejected because people are like, call it. Oh, that sounds really weird. She probably doesn't even know how to speak English like. And it's like the opposite. I'm like the most American person ever. Right. But like, it's just it's tough, you know, and I really hope that that changes. But the big moral of this. Story here is that by the time I got to college, I was so used to rejection that I was like unstoppable. And when I went to college, I went to NJT. It was like nerdy nerd central, right. So many like just engineers, kind of geeks. So I got to school and I was like the hottest girl in school, you know what I mean? And so I was like I got on the cheerleading team. I got in the play. I was like in my sorority and just rocked it. And it was like a really big confidence boost because I went from, like, having all these friends and stuff in middle school and then in high school just kind of being normal and not really getting too many opportunities to in college, like really just soaring and sticking out as a sore thumb. And then I got that internship at Hot 97 and then I started just hanging out with celebrities and dating Chris Brown, for example, like just, you know, had like a really cool life as a 19 year old. And and then the rest is history.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:14:04] Wait, did you date him before Rihanna or after Rihanna?
Hala Tala: [00:14:07] Right after Rihanna was giving me.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:14:10] I was going to ask you, like, how was that? Because that's I think that's a whole another podcast.
Hala Tala: [00:14:16] Yeah, he was nice. I mean, it was like I was his girlfriend for me. I wasn't anything serious. It wasn't like we were like very, very serious. But he's taking me out to dinner and I had to sign a waiver before we the first date that we ever had his like driver. He gets Chris gets out of the car and his driver hands me like a waiver that basically says, like, I can't tell anyone that we're on this date. Oh, my God. Here I am saying it because it's like nothing happens, so.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:14:42] Oh, that is that is a good story. Like, really good story. Did you get any dance moves from from Chris?
Hala Tala: [00:14:48] Did you know when you think constantly every day, like he would just be like walking around singing the whole time, he was really an artist at heart.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:14:57] Did you ever sing with him like.
Hala Tala: [00:14:59] Yeah, I used to. So at the time I was a singer and so we would be in the car listening to my music. And he used to give me feedback on my music. And if I really wanted to have been a singer, I had the connections back in the I could have really pushed for it, but it wasn't I really wasn't like, you see how passionate I am with podcasting. If I had been I wanted to be a singer, but I'm not like the best dancer in the world. And I knew that, like, you really have to be both if you really, really want to succeed. And I have a great voice, but I'm not like Christina Aguilera. So it's like I either need to be like the best singer in the world or I need to be really good at singing, really good at dancing. And I knew I wasn't that. So I pivoted to radio.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:15:38] Ok, well, I'm going to have to ask you how, like, do you mind giving us a little sample of your music? Because I want to hear you sing like I never heard you sing on a podcast.
Hala Tala: [00:15:49] I've never sang, not even on my own podcast. Elizabeth So this is a big ask. So I'm going to sing a song I tried out for American Idol. I didn't make it. Obviously, I tried out for American Idol and I did the Keyshia Cole love song. Would you say
Elizabeth Molina: [00:16:06] Was it the dancing or was it just because, like,
Hala Tala: [00:16:09] No, I was wrong. I got to the second round, like, I got through the first round. The second time I literally went up, started singing for two seconds and they were like, next. And I was like, OK, like they just didn't like how I looked pretty much. Now I'm young and profiting, you know, everything happens for a reason. OK, I will sing. And by the way, I have not warmed up. This is totally just a lie. But yes, let's do it, OK. I used to think that I wasn't fun enough, and I used to think that I wasn't wild enough, but I wouldn't waste my time trying to figure out why you playing games. What's this all about? And I can't Believe, You're hurting me. I met your girl. What a difference. What you see. Have you seen any but I guess it was all just make Believe, oh, love. That was so good and bad.
Hala Tala: [00:17:25] But anyway, that was those mean honestly, guys. Now, I got a little heavy thinking, probably like a year and a half or so. Oh, my God. Sorry if I hurt your ears.
Elizabeth Molina : [00:17:35] No, you did it. That was so good. So what what made you change? What was like your turning point? We were like, I'm not going to be a singer anymore because you have a great voice and you've always had a great voice since you were young and you still do, which is, I think, part of the magic in terms of like you have the beauty, you have the brains and you have the voice.
Hala Tala: [00:17:53] Yeah, I think really the pivotal point was being in hot any seven and seeing the music industry and kind of being abused by the industry. I mean, I had a lot of people paying attention to me. I was the only girl in the studio area at Hot 97. So I met people like Kanye West, Jay-Z, Drake, you name it, Trey Songz, all the big people of that time. And a lot of these producers and their managers would approach me. And I was really young and they would try to sleep with me and they would try to entice me to do things. I had Mack Maine telling me if I was his girlfriend, he would make me the next Nicki Minaj. And I just I was like, you know what, this seems like I need to sleep my way to the top. And it's not really me. And I just pivoted. I just felt like I could honestly I really think I could have dated Mack Maine and been a part of young money like that. I literally had people at Young Money telling me that and I just couldn't do it. I just didn't do it. And then I just kind of pivoted and just kept working in radio and kept working on other stuff.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:19:00] So now what I'm hearing is you could have been in young money, but now you're young and profiting. Yeah.
Hala Tala: [00:19:06] How funny is that? And I've never told that story either, but it's the truth. And even Mack, Maine, he's reached out to me recently and was like, well, like you've been doing some crazy things. And it's just so funny because it's like, yeah. And I'm really happy that I didn't, like, sell myself out like that. And my boyfriend's a very famous music producer. His name is Harry Fraud. I've been with him for like 12 years. And so he does music for French Montana, he does music for recrossing and the Weeknd and all that kind of stuff. And so he produced my first album. And he he also didn't want me to be a singer because he was like, listen, I see the girls, I see what they go through. Like, it's not for you. It's not a good life. Like and so, like, he kind of steered me away from it, too. And it's like I feel like, honestly, this is going to sound so messed up. I feel like if I took that path, I would have been raped like ten times. Like, I know it's sad to say that, but like literally that's the kind of vibe that it was.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:19:59] Wow. How thank you so much for being so honest and just like having no filter, because I think that a lot of girls need to hear this. And you are setting an example of what like a real role model is, right? Like, listen, I lived the life. This is what's really there. Do you want to take that by and like I, however, was not in the music industry because, as you know, my voice is not as angelic as yours, even on my best day. But I was in the modeling space since I was five. And I was actually I got into like America's Next Top Model the first season when I was really young. And then my dad said no, because they have to put cameras all over. He wouldn't sign I was an eighteen yet. And he said no, because, you know, they record you in the shower and he's like, no, like, my dad was very conservative. He's like prostitutes. That's for prostitutes. So he like there were a lot of opportunities that I had. And it's the same story. Like had I stayed in that, I probably would have been. And I've been in situations as well. I'm sure you and I can go back with stories. And that's a whole nother podcast as well.
Hala Tala: [00:20:59] I know. And I think so many girls have those stories, unfortunately, but yeah.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:21:02] So I think it's great because we are only shown the beautiful image. Right. Let's go back to the beauty we kept on talking about how you're beautiful, how you're stunning and how like that also opened the doors in some ways. And then it also shut the doors in some ways because it was intimidating. But I really love it that you're talking about this because people now can see, OK, it's there's an image, what goes behind it, what's happening on the back end. And like, you kind of shed a little bit of light there. So, ladies, if you're listening, all that glitters isn't gold and just know what you're signing up for for sure,
Hala Tala: [00:21:33] Because I'm telling you, I was so my first year or two hundred eighty seven. The reason why I got the internship, because I wanted to push my music and so I'd spend my days at the station and then at night I'd be recording music with different producers and things like that. And then all the different ANZAAS and things from all the different record labels would come into Hot 97. And they knew that I was singer and they would be like, oh, like, you know, you know, you could talk to my record label and basically insinuating, like, if you give me a blowjob, like literally like literally saying, yes, literally like soliciting that. And it just happened over and over again. I was like, you know what, this just really seems like this. The only way is to be like that. And I'm not like that. And so I just pivoted, you know? And so honestly, I've never really. Said that out loud, I don't know why I am telling you this right now, but it's like I feel like your listeners probably need to hear it. Like if you guys really want to know why I didn't decide to become a singer and why it pivoted, it's because it was like seemed like the only way I could get there would be through doing things that I wasn't comfortable with.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:22:37] Wow, thank you for sharing that with us, with our listeners. I'm glad that I was able to get that out of you. I think the message was ready to be heard. And I think, you know, we're coming out of a pandemic. People are craving for attention, craving to be seen, to be heard. And I think this is also like an opportunity for people to maybe see themselves in this position. And now hearing this, this can be empowering. So can you just share with us how you kind of deflected that?
Hala Tala: [00:23:07] Well, first of all, I just want to take it back and I want to remind everybody that this was 10 years ago and I was like 19, 20, 21, you know what I mean? So I was very, very young. And so I would I would just like go with people like if if they said something like, you know, inappropriate, I would just stop responding and just, you know, let them know that that's not really what I was into. But in terms of, like, how I got over it all, I started my own path. I started my own website. I got out of that Hot 97 environment that was really abusing me. I mean, they were abusing. Me sexually, in terms of like the people like, you know, allowing guests and artists to, like, always hit on me, like leveraging the fact that I was a pretty girl, that all these, like, celebrities wanted to be around and everything like that. And then also but also like not paying me and compensating me. And and in terms of, like, all the value that I was bringing for all the actual work that I was doing. Right. I think what empowered me was leaving, even though I was kicked out because I was just like I was too, like, you know, star struck by being Hot 97 and being like, holla from Hot 97 and being able to everybody being like, oh my gosh, how did you get that cool job? You get to meet so many celebrities.
Hala Tala: [00:24:18] Oh, my God. And so as a young girl, I was like, yeah, I'm the shit. You know, I am meeting all these celebrities. I am partying with Chris Brown. I am you know, I'm in the VIP every night, you know. But once I started my own thing, the sort of hip hop and and I was the CEO and I was the owner and like, I wasn't going to be in uncomfortable situations anymore. And it was all me and I was the boss. Everything changed. You know, everybody treated with me with more respect. I was never in those situations anymore because I wouldn't put myself in those situations, like I would get in those situations at Hot 97, because it's like those managers are eight hours or whatever would be at the station and just think it was OK to, like, approach me like that, you know? So it's like I got to make my own circles once I was my own boss and created my only.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:25:06] I love that, I love that because you took your power back. You're like, no, I'm not going to be under that. I'm going to make my own lane. And when you make your own lane, you're young and profiting and you're just soaring like every single day. There's like something else you're working on and you're being very successful. So, guys, if you're paying attention, if you're watching this, like, pay attention to how she is, you're on the lookout because she's doing amazing things. And I cannot wait to see all the other things. So let's take it. Let's go back into this image. We spoke a lot about you being so cute when you were a baby. You got so much attention from your family. Then in school, you, like, wanted to be the star you use, that you had a voice, you got some jobs because you you I think you say to yourself, like, correct me if I'm wrong, but like, you are a pretty girl. You still are just like you are. You still are. And so like, let's not kid ourselves. Like, you also have to look a certain way to be in these scenarios. So what is your take on the image? Like we talk about we spoke about this a tiny bit before we talk about beauty. And when people think of beauty, they're like, oh, it's just makeup, lashes, hair, a wig and a dress. Like, it's so stupid, but it's so important when you're talking about especially like in the music industry, in the beauty industry, like modeling TV, even it's Haddock's, which I know you're going to do. And we're going to talk about that as well. But like that matters the way you show up to the world, the impact that you make. People do judge you by your first impression. So I want to hear your take on this, because you built a business on the image and how you present yourself, not only like your physical, but like your brand. You are very branded on all platforms.
Hala Tala: [00:26:42] Yeah, I think that's a great question. And something that I just want to say that's unique to my situation is that like in middle school and even high school, I wasn't considered like, oh, she's like a pretty girl in school. And that's because everybody was white and I look different. And so, like, actually nobody saw my beauty. And I look back at the pictures, I'm like, well, I look kind of the same. I look, why didn't I get. So it was the 9/11 thing as well. But like also I just think that I look different. I wasn't a blonde hair, blue eyed girl, and those were all the the girls that everybody thought was pretty. But once I got to college and it was like really diverse, all of a sudden I was like a very pretty girl and then hot and seven and whatever. So it's funny because it's like I didn't get that kind of sexual attention a lot in middle school and high school, which I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing. But whatever in terms of image, I think it's what you want to put out there to the world. I feel like a lot of it is a lot of really good marketing strategy is knowing your brand, knowing your colors, knowing your fans, being consistent. I have a really aesthetic. I taught myself, had a graphic design, and I feel like all of that has a lot to do with it. I had a blog sites. I've written over four thousand blogs, so really know how to write a story. And I think like. Me, for the first couple of years of young and profiting, I was the one writing on my social posts and basically being able to scale that so that my team can kind of learn the different formulas that I would use in terms of my storytelling and how I'd write my posts and the different things I would talk about.
Hala Tala: [00:28:14] I also think just knowing your story really well, one of the things that I do is for all my clients and myself, we create story journals, so I'll take all their podcast episodes, just like what I'm doing right now when they guest on shows and we'll transcribe them and we'll get all their little stories and start to put together a journal so that our team can kind of pull from them and ghostwrite on their behalf all these different little stories that they have. And I think it's important to know your stories. And if you haven't really took time to sit down and write them all out, you should. And then you have a foundation for a book or something. If you want to write that in the future because you have all your stories in one place and then you kind of know how to articulate them well and things like that. And I think just knowing what you stand for, like a young and profiting, I feel like, you know, I stand for success. I stand for wellness. I stand for bettering yourself or learning how to make money for being your own boss, for learning how to side hustle, learning how to be an entrepreneur like those are all the pillars of my brand. And I think it's about talking about those pillars and monitoring what you put on social media so that it's not so random, I think that's the key. It's like be strategic about it. Think about it a bit. And then and then, like, release your stuff.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:29:23] I love that, I love your. I never heard about that, taking the content and making stories out of it. I'm like, I need your help. This is so good. This is so good. So so what is your take on beauty and image? Like, what do you what does that mean to you?
Hala Tala: [00:29:42] Beauty and image. Yeah. I am somebody who likes to be put together, and I think that it's important for you to have good hygiene and it's important for you to look presentable and it's important for you to look the part. And it's also scientifically proven. I'll give you guys an example. There's something called the Texas crosswalk study. You know, jaywalking is illegal, but if you put a bunch of strangers together and a guy in a suit starts jaywalking, everybody will follow him. But if a guy in shorts and a tank top or somebody who was wearing like dirty shoes or shoes, shoes with holes in them or something starts walking across a crosswalk, no one's following him. And that's because people are obedient to people who look polished, who look presentable and things like that. And so you actually portray more confidence both internally yourself and outwardly when you look your best. And it really depends on how you feel. So like if you feel great in jeans and a T-shirt and that's what you feel most competent, and then everybody else is going to feel your confidence and you're going to give them permission to, like, follow you. That was my human behavior explanation
Elizabeth Molina: [00:30:54] For why I'm like, that's so scientifical. So what is it? What does it mean to you? Like, OK, let's take away the scientific part, just like a hollow like on a day off. Like, what does beauty mean to you?
Hala Tala: [00:31:08] Beauty means that I feel comfortable in my skin, that I feel confidence, that I'm not shy to have the camera on. And I feel like I'm looking my best. I've had a little bit of time to fix myself. I love wearing makeup and it's not necessarily for anyone else. I really just love doing that. And I'm a very girly girl. So like, I love doing my hair. I love doing my makeup. I take care of my skin. I always go get facials and all that and everybody's different. I know a lot of beautiful girls that are very natural and don't do any of that stuff. But it's like I also find it like fun, you know? So I think it just depends on who you are. And I think beauty, like as cliche as it sounds, is definitely the eyes of the beholder. I just think as long as you feel comfortable and confident, that's what beauty is.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:31:58] Just to follow a follow up question for you, do you think that, like the way that you grew up, like you said, you grew up in a town that was mostly white and I could relate to your story as being a model, like back then at the age of five, going on casting calls. And I'm the only little girl with brown hair, brown eyes. And here I am auditioning for a Tropicana or Kellogg's. And I'm like, why aren't I getting the part? I'm better than these girls. I can cry on demand. But what's happening here? And then, you know, they said, you don't have the American look. And so, like, I can relate to you on that end. But growing up and it's from a different culture, like beauty is different in every culture. So, like, did that clash with you in any way in terms of you growing up in in your home and being confident and then going outside on like that? Nobody else looks like me. And then all of a sudden you're trending because Kim Kardashian is. And so like now.
Hala Tala: [00:32:47] Exactly. It's like it's like all of a sudden Kim was hot and then it was like, oh, well, it's hot. You know, something that you guys should note is that like in college. So when everything was going well, when I was like Miss Popular and all the frat boys would try to make me like the princess of their frat or whatever it was at the same time. So I was like basically like homecoming queen at NJT. Like, you could put me in that box, you know, I was the most popular girl on my class, all that kind of stuff before I dropped out. And at the same time, I was like hated by the Arabic community. They my friends, my childhood best friends. Growing up, I wasn't allowed to be in their weddings. My best friends that I slept over the house every weekend as a kid when they got married in their twenties because they were from conservative families who married them off when they were in their twenties. I wasn't allowed to be in their wedding. And it was because people thought that I dress too slutty, that I was going partying, that I was drinking, that maybe I was, you know, just being too wild, that I was dating boys. And in the Arabic community, even though we were in America, it was like more conservative. And so here I was like finally like accepted in school. And then the Arabic community rejected me, which is just so strange. You know, now I look now I'm just like, ha ha. Like now like I'm the most successful one at all, you bitches. Right? But like so like I was ostracized by the Arabic community in New Jersey. But honestly, I really was not that bad. Like, I was just a normal college girl. I was going out to parties. I was wearing short dresses and I was drinking once in a while and wasn't that crazy, like, you know. But they treated me as if I was like some like cocaine addict, a heroin addict or something like, you know, I got.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:34:45] Whatever, yeah, no, no, no, and that's a good story, and I wanted to talk about that because a lot of times, like we live in America, this is a melting pot and we come from different cultures. And sometimes our cultures say one thing like mentioned to you, like with my dad and modelling, my dad was like prostitutes, prosit. Like he would like I could. I still don't wear red nail polish or any kind of bright colors because my father has like, instilled this in my brain that like that is for like a naughty girl and you can't be naughty and like you'll never find me with red. Like it's always like some sort of nude or like white is like the most that I'll do. And I feel like I'm having anxiety about it.
Hala Tala: [00:35:23] And I feel like there's so many things that probably have impacted me in a similar way. It's so sad. Like, you know, like boys don't have to deal with any of this. No. Like, I remember my cousins in Palestine messaging me, telling me, like, we're ashamed to have you in our family. Because I was like went to a party in college, like literally like that kind of messaging, like from my own family even. And so like I so like that's why, like, now I could give two craps what anybody thinks about me, because I've been burned so many times, like just burned so many times. And so like I just have like the thickest skin, like you really can't get to me.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:36:06] I want our listeners to hear the resiliency, to hear like you crack the formula before the formula cracked you. And what I mean by that is you just said I got burned so many times that it no longer burn. There's nothing to burn, like there's nothing. It's like a threat, like a rope I'm imagining. And you keep on burning it, burning it, and then like it's just thinning out. And then there's like nothing like the fire could be there, but there's nothing to burn. And like when you can get yourself there mentally strong, nothing can stop you. And that makes sense because you have been unstoppable. But I want to take it back to your family a little bit and talk about covid. So let's fast forward back to twenty twenty covid. Let's talk about and if it's OK, it's too much like we can. We don't have to talk about it. But I want to talk about the impact that you have that your dad had on you growing up as a girl, because I know that he was like this force. He was big and supporting people in your family. He was like that person like that. Yeah. Foundation for everyone. And for you, I'm sure, like, he modeled that for you and kind of feel like you are kind of passing he passed the baton to you as like the female version of that. But I just want to make sure that I'm not just putting those ideas.
Hala Tala: [00:37:19] I know it's true. My dad was amazing. So I felt like I would not be who I am, where I am without my dad. My dad was always like, remember when I said, like, the whole Arab community was against me and we in my own family, but never my dad, never my dad, you know? And so, like, he always supported me, always treated me like an equal, always told me I was a star. I always said, follow your dreams like that, kind of that kind of a guy. So my dad grew up in Palestine and during war he was a farmer's son and he had no light growing up. And he used to study on his walks to school where he had light and he was really smart. And he ended up getting a scholarship to Egypt's, got a scholarship to med school, came to America, became a surgeon, then was chief of surgery, opened up medical centers and became really, really successful. And he put all my cousins through college, all his kids through college really wasn't a flashy guy. Like even though he was very, very successful, he would like go shop at Sears. And he spent all his money, like giving it to orphans and people who who needed money to go to college. Because his main thing was like, everybody gave me a scholarship. That's how I'm so successful. So I want to make sure that I can give as many people an opportunity, the same way that I got an opportunity when I was younger.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:38:34] And like literally that's what he dedicated most of his life to, was, you know, fundraising for people to go to college in Palestine and then also sending everybody to school and everything like that. So he was amazing. And such a hard worker was writing a million bucks, doing a million research projects, super ambitious, very like into politics. We would have host dinners with like Hillary Clinton when I was younger and like stuff like that. And he he was great. He was just like such a great guy, great community guy, great family man. And so in March, I got a call. I was living in Brooklyn with my boyfriend and my sister called me up and she's like, call up mom and dad have covid. And at the time I was so me and my boyfriend were crazy about not getting covid. I would like go to the grocery store with, like, glasses and masks. Gloves. I was wearing a mask on the train since I think February. I was I was the only person where I used to work at Disney streaming services. So I'd go from Brooklyn to to New York City. And for a long time I was the only person wearing a mask on the train.
Hala Tala: [00:39:37] I was warning everybody about it. So I was like, Miss, like, I'm never getting covid and I'm doing everything in my power not to get covered. And then I got the call mom and I've covered and I was begging them, I they got covid because my dad had like has diabetes and he was still going to the doctor for like checkups and I was begging them to stop. But anyway, they got covid and I came home and, you know, I decided I was going to come home. I ended up staying home for three months when I thought it was I didn't know what to expect. I thought it was going to die honestly, because nobody had gotten covid at that point. So it's like I come home. My mom and dad are sick, my brother is sick. Me and my sister are like in full gear. My sister's a doctor. So she's like she was like the doctor role. And then my job was like custodian. And I was just like cooking, cleaning and just trying to take care of my family. But it was like miserable. Like we were wearing a mask eight like up until the moment we slept, me and my sister were because it was really scary at the time. Elizabeth, like, we didn't know that it was just mouth to mouth. So I was like spraying the.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:40:41] Cultures with alcohol, spring, everything with alcohol, and it's like we didn't know if we could take off our masks, we didn't know if you could touch our eyes or a mouth and like so it would be like all day taking care of the family. Everybody was sick. My dad was, like, extremely sick. And then, like, we would come downstairs in the basement and like, I couldn't even go get blankets from upstairs because we just thought everything was contaminated. And so we were using, like, old blankets in the basement. I was eating like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches every night. And, like, the only thing I would eat would be at like 11:00 p.m. once we were done with everything because we were afraid to eat the food upstairs. It was it was insane. Anyway, my dad got sicker and sicker and sicker and then know he was basically unresponsive. And like we had we tried bringing an oxygen machine home. Like, the last thing we wanted to do was take him to the hospital. And then finally we called the ambulance to take him to the hospital. And he looked at us like, please, like, I'm never going to see you guys again. And we were like, no, you will like and then they will go away. And honestly, that's the last time I ever saw him alive. And I was we weren't allowed to visit him in the hospital.
Hala Tala: [00:41:44] I got covid. And even though we got covid, they still wouldn't let us go see him, even though he was in the hospital for like a month, maybe like six weeks, and they would not let us go in the hospital. He ended up passing away on May 15th. Twenty twenty. And to me, I think the most traumatic part of that was the fact that for somebody who was so generous, like literally like an angel, like he used to do surgery. So he was a general and vascular surgery. He used to do surgeries for free all the time for people like he saved so many freaking lives. That guy, you know, he was such a good guy. He would like do charity cases all the time and then like for a doctor, nonetheless, who saved lives to, like, had to die alone and like without his family and like, they wouldn't let us see us until he died. It's like I got to go to my dad's hospital room after he was dead. You know, it's like I couldn't even say goodbye. And like, to me, that was definitely the worst part of it all. Like, it's one thing to lose your father. Everybody is going to lose. Everybody is going to die. Everybody's going to lose someone. It was more like not saying goodbye,
Elizabeth Molina: [00:42:51] Especially with your dad being this person, just this human. It just sounds like an angel. Like as you were describing him, I was getting I was like, I'm not going to cry. One hundred percent. Talk about that, because during that, you were so launching your company. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So like that whole part.
Hala Tala: [00:43:30] Yeah. So so what happened was I was working at Disney streaming and while my dad was in the hospital, I would literally try to be on Zoom constantly, like they would let us be on Zoom. And so Disney was like horrible company culture, right? I was my dad was like literally dying and like I was expected to be on every call, every whatever. And so I would work all day, even though I, like, had covid and like was probably still getting over covid all that shit. So I'd work. I'll be on my meetings and I'd have my dad on my iPad on Zoom and in between my meetings I would like talk to him, I'd sing to him. I couldn't know if he heard me or not, but like I would literally was on Zoome with him twenty four hours a day as long as they let me do it. I was on the phone with him while he was in the hospital at least. But I don't know if you could hear me or whatever because he was really unresponsive. So anyway, finally I was in this meeting and my mom calls me and she's like, holla. Like they said that dad's like dying and like we have 20 minutes to get to the hospital and like, if we want to see him and say goodbye. And so we I just was like, close all my stuff and like ran to the hospital, like we drove to the hospital and then they called us on the way. And so that he had passed away. And then so like when I got there, he was like had just died and so. I just I remember they would only let us go up one by one, which, like, sucked, it's like I didn't even get to, like, say goodbye with my family, you know? And so it's like they only let us go up one by one. And so it's like I went up there and I remember telling him, like. It's everything that you did is not in vain, you know. Now I'm going to make it.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:45:07] So don't say sorry, don't say sorry, because this needs to be heard, it needs to come out like this is your dad is still here and president like I just wanted you to know and everyone listening because you're not the only one, right?
Hala Tala: [00:45:24] Yeah, 100 percent. And if I tell that story, it's for everybody else. I mean, I just told you, listen, you gave me so much opportunity. I'm going to make sure that everybody knows our name. Everybody knows your name, everybody knows my name and like and I got you. And we're going to and everything's going to change and that I'm going to make a difference the same way that you made a difference. And so I just promised him that. And I just I remember I was like screaming in the hospital, like, I promise I'm going to make you proud. I'm going to make you proud. Everything's like everything that you ever wish for me is going to come true. And a lot of it did already. So it's just really cool that, you know, sometimes death is a great motivator. You realize that like. Life is limitless, and I was really working hard before that, but it just made me like, you know, put myself first and really, really work hard and focus and and I just used it as a way to, like, launch myself, because then when my dad was in the hospital, I started a business called Yapp Media. And Heather Monahan is one of my mentors. And basically I was like, just I'm always so helpful to everyone.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:46:30] So I'm always, like, hopping on calls and teaching people stuff and just being helpful. That's like my personality. And so this lady had the money and she's like this big influencer on LinkedIn. She was like, your stuff is so good, your marketing is so good. I want to learn from you. And so I would go on these calls with her. And and at the time I had all these volunteers working for Young and Profiting podcast and we were in a select channel. And so I had like 10 people who just wanted to work for free for me and slack. And so I was showing Heather our channel and showing her our social schedule. I was showing her Cannava and like headliner and all these different processes we had. And she was just so impressed. And she was like, I want to be your client. Like, you have a little marketing agency. You don't realize it. I want to be your first client. And so I was like, OK, like, I'll do a couple of videos for you. And like, literally, I charged her like five hundred dollars a month and I was like, this is never going to scale. Like I'm never going to make money doing this. My next client was like a 30 k a month client and then it was just like, boom, everything just like blew up.
Hala Tala: [00:47:30] And now I have 40 employees. We're making almost two million in revenue in our first year. I've got like ten huge clients. The company is growing so fast. My podcast went from getting like three thousand downloads, amounts to like one hundred and fifty thousand downloads a month. I landed the cover of Podcasts magazine. It's just like my whole life, just like all of a sudden just skyrocketed in terms of like my success, like it was slow and steady for the fact that, like, I did grow big LinkedIn following and I did put in a lot of work and I had a lot of episodes. But it's like this summer, like had all that time at home and like had this fuel of my father dying and him being such a great man and so successful and me feeling like I need to live up to that and like, do him right. Plus I think his guidance, you know, from the stars, maybe he, like, you know, hooked me up a bit. I have no idea how I landed podcast, magazine. I don't think I deserved it at the time, but maybe I did. And it's like, you know, you're always so hard on yourself.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:48:32] You definitely deserved it. No one. Right, like being on the cover and all your success. Your dad literally pass that on to you and his legacy legacy is living on through. So I just wanted to acknowledge you and like, let people know that about you because I feel like we always get this strong. Hello. At the NBA, who worked at Disney? Who worked out here, who you know, all these things that great. Great. You Hot 97, you were a singer. You were going to audition, you were going to do MTV. Like, who knows what else. You're not telling us. Right. But we don't hear this holler. We don't hear the feminine soft holler. Who what fuels her. Who is she was what she about. This is what she's about. Like, there's a lot to her. We all have layers. And I'm so glad that you came on the podcast and we're like open to it and like, made us cry. Yeah.
Hala Tala: [00:49:18] I told you a lot of juicy stuff.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:49:20] What how would you see yourself, like, impacting your family, your community and your niece? Who's watching you? She's watching the strong woman grow up like I want to know, talk, tell me, like, what are you thinking?
Hala Tala: [00:49:32] Yeah. I mean, when I said when I was growing up, there was no Arabic women who were doing anything, you know what I mean? It's like if you're an Arabic woman, you were covered. You probably were a housewife. Like I had no like nobody to look up to. And so I'm so happy that I can be this, like, Americanized Arabic woman who's, you know, professional. And I've got a great company and brand and podcast and just influencing so many people. And I feel like it's only going to get bigger and bigger, especially the trajectory that we're on and and the rate at which the company and podcast is growing and all my social channels and things like that. So I'm just excited that my niece, who's half Chinese, half Palestinian, is going to grow up having somebody who at least like sort of looks like her, somebody that you can look up to you that's not a doctor or an engineer or a lawyer. And you know that you can be successful taking your own path. And I love the fact that right now I'm literally living my dream.
Hala Tala: [00:50:35] When I was working in corporate, it was all because I was trying to fit into a box that everybody wanted me to be in. And yeah, I was doing great because I made it my own thing and used my personality traits to be good at my corporate job. But now that I'm a full time entrepreneur and I've got my focus is my podcast and content and this marketing agency, it's just amazing. Like to wake up and do what I want to do every day, like be on a podcast like this in the middle of the day, like, you know, and just have this awesome come. Association, what I want to represent my niece is like I want her to know that you can follow your dreams and anything that you believe can happen if you really work hard and if you believe in yourself and believe in your talents and believe that life is limitless. And I always say this like, you have to believe that life has no limits. As soon as I really, really went back to that thinking, it's like everything 10x for me.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:51:26] So I want to ask you I ask all my guests. Are you familiar with the beauty circle?
Hala Tala: [00:51:32] I know that you emailed me so I can pull it up.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:51:36] Yeah. So basically it's a circle that I use with my clients and it's kind of like how I I'm a little bit sneaky about the work that I do. People come to me for the image and then there's more, there's more to life like holistic. There's science, there's like a whole a whole bunch of little categories that I get. Really, it could be superficial or it could be like really deep. Like I can go into, like, quantum physics on a specific topic. Right. But I just always gauge where my clients are at. So I always ask my guests in the beauty circle, there's ten different categories. Where do you find yourself excelling in currently and where do you find yourself maybe needing a little bit of extra love?
Hala Tala: [00:52:14] Yeah, so I would say sleep is where I struggle and relationships is actually probably where I try for people who don't know me like I am all about collaboration and communities and like I'm always building a network even when I'm not trying to like I wanted to start young and profiting podcast as a one man band. Like, I just want it to be me. And I have 50 employees now. And from episode two, I had my first and I had my first volunteer. And then by episode eight, I had ten volunteers and it was all natural. I didn't pay anyone. And when I had sort of hip hop, I had probably one hundred girls in and out of that fifty at the height of it. And I was the president. And again, it was like people who just wanted to follow this movement. When I worked at HP, I was president of the Young Employee Network and I led like, you know, all these people at my office. Then I was president of my alumni association. So like always like becoming the leader, always becoming like the networker. I have like a podcast mastermind now community. You know what? I would get fans who would reach out to me and be like, I just want to work for you. And then so I just started Aslak Slack channels like, OK, come join our SELEK and you want to I'll teach you how to do an audiogram and you could just keep doing that each week. And then I would give everybody these little projects. And now the volunteers who worked for my show are now like team leaders that have like all teams under them, which is amazing. Not like these volunteers that work for free for me for about a year now are getting like half salaries and quit their jobs and work for Yapp. So and they're following their dreams because that's what they wanted to do. They wanted to work for free at one point. So they obviously had dreams.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:53:51] Why do what is a message that you would have told your younger self from the hollow that you are today like college today has a time machine. And she went back to like Tommy like right when 9/11 happened. I feel like that was a very crucial point in your life where things pivoted and you felt like ostracized, like to what would you tell that halwa?
Hala Tala: [00:54:10] So this is what I would tell anybody who's young and like still finding their way is. Think about your rejections and realize that if a gatekeeper is telling, you know, you actually need to create your own lane, create your own path. So I'll give you guys all the different examples. I worked at seven for three years. I basically was slave work for free every single day. It wasn't about convincing Angie Martinez to hire me. That's not what changed my life. What changed my life is I decided to take it into my own power and start my website. And then that made me on the same playing field as the deejay's and the same Jesus who wouldn't pay me minimum wage, put me on the flyers and I would promote their parties and make just as much money as I'm promoting parties because I decided to create my own lane. Then again, MTV. Decided not to air the show. I decided, OK, again, I'm going to focus this negative energy on creating my own path and I decided that like getting my MBA and getting a 4.0 and getting a great job was going to be that lane. Right. Then again, something happened at HP where I wasn't given a promotion to be the president of the Global Young Employee Network that I just mentioned before.
Hala Tala: [00:55:20] And that's why I started, which I started. Yeah. And then they wouldn't let me be the global president because the H.R. person didn't like me. And then she left the company a month later. But like long story, it's just the same shit. Like, I didn't get a promotion that I absolutely deserved and was absolutely the most qualified for again. I started my own thing, and that was Young and profiting podcast, and now I'm literally one of the most successful female podcasters in the world right now. And it's only because I was rejected and I decided to pivot and start my own thing that I own that nobody can tell me yes or no, that the success of my growth depends on me and what I put into it. And so, like, if you're a hard worker, if you know that you have talents like don't wait for someone to give you the permission to be that person. Like I waited three years for Angie to give me permission to just have a job. So that's what I that's the advice that I'd give is like really just pay attention to your rejections and figure out how you could do it on your own if you can.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:56:23] I love that message. Guys, if you're listening, I know I have a lot of high school students who listen in as well. Guys, you heard it from here. You can be young and profiting and you can be successful in your own lane. And Holla is proof of that. You can follow her journey. Hala, it is brag time on the podcast. I know that you're doing new things. Tell us about your you have any podcast coming up, is that correct? Yeah.
Hala Tala: [00:56:44] Yeah, yes. So I am launching a new podcast. It's called the Audio NEWSROOM. So if any of you guys are podcasters and you want to get the latest in podcasting and drop in audio news, you can check that out. It's going to be called the audio newsroom with highlights. And then, of course, I have my, you know, very popular podcast. It's called Young and Profiting. I've interviewed Matthew McConaughey, Robert Greene, Seth Godin. I put out episodes three times a week so you guys can check that out. It's young and profiting. You can find it everywhere. And then you can find me on LinkedIn at haataja and on Instagram at Yapp with Hala.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:57:17] Amazing. Amazing. Thank you for being here with us today. So appreciate it. And you can also find her on clubhouse.
Hala Tala: [00:57:23] Yeah, the clubhouse there like four hours a day. So you guys can find me there too.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:57:30] I'll put it in my show note so that you guys can follow her around because you will have access to her. You can raise your hand, get up on stage. And she will literally answer your question if she has time, because usually the stage is full. She has a lot of people in those rooms. So you don't want to mess this out. Like if you really want to contact Carla live like that is a way to do it. Follow her on there. I'm on there as well. So give us a follow. And Hala, I just want to say thank you so much for being on this podcast, for showing us a different side of holla and being vulnerable with us. I know that your message today was received and was heard and was healing for so many people on so many levels. We covered so much. So I just want to say thank you for that.
Hala Tala: [00:58:08] Thank you so much, Elizabeth. This is so much fun. You did a great job.
Elizabeth Molina: [00:58:11] Thank you, my beautiful people. Thank you so much for tuning in this week. Your support means the world to me. And if you are still listening, this means that you care. And to those amazing listeners who are still tuning in, I would so appreciate it. If you want to subscribe, if you haven't already subscribed, share this episode with any friend who you think will get some value and would learn something. This is truly an amazing show where we're going to keep on bringing in amazing guests that will rock your world if you have the time, which I know you have. And it would mean so much to me and it would allow me to continue my mission on interviewing amazing, fantastic people who have amazing stories that can impact your life. These great and review. It takes two seconds to share this episode right now on your social media. Screenshot it to me, Elizabeth. Underscore, underscore Molina and also tag the guests that I just interviewed because it just means so much. Let me know which part you liked. Let me know which part you didn't like. Let me know if anything was impactful because I want to hear it. They want to hear it. We all want to hear it. So I'm so excited for you guys to tune in next week because we have another super amazing guest. So cannot wait for you guys to hear that. Bye, guys.